The Official 'Head First Era Goldfrapp Is Sh*t' Thread

[Blood&Gold]

Baudelaire, I'm not going down this road with you. The group has used plastic surgery as a topic for Clowns, a theme for the video to Number 1, and random bandages in the Christmas video (which that video came out before people were talking about her possibly having it, so why would she be poking fun at herself in that way?) Awful lot of smoke for there not being any fire...

*Plugs ears with fingers and hums a tune*

Jax, I was on the defense when I began offending people intentionally. It was a reaction to sarcasm. I don't just post random insults on the board.

BTW, the photographs I spoke of before.

Before

Before

[corvina]

regardless of whether the surgery has been done or not the images that make it out via offical routes have been worked over and that amounts to the same thing

these days personality is a slippery construct

how many of us hide behind our avatars? many of which are her face ...

[corvina]

ha ha I'm okay here but it's nice you being all protective ....

I found an old magazine where alison says words to the effect that she wasn't sexy and didn't want pople to see her as being such but it's a huge tiff file over 2. something meg so I can't paste it ...

[Baudelaire]

Originally Posted by Blood&Gold

Baudelaire, I'm not going down this road with you. The group has used plastic surgery as a topic for Clowns, a theme for the video to Number 1, and random bandages in the Christmas video (which that video came out before people were talking about her possibly having it, so why would she be poking fun at herself in that way?) Awful lot of smoke for there not being any fire...

I don't really think most of those examples were supposed to be serious (especially the Number 1 video). Alison is a very honest girl (sometimes too honest) but I never recalled her outright condemning people for getting plastic surgery. And if she did it - and if I am wrong - that would be ignorant of her anyways, as plastic surgery is not simply for women over their 50s (like a lot of people here seem to believe too). A lot of people who get disfigured in accidents also rely on plastic surgery.

If you want to believe she got plastic surgery though that's fine. But I honestly don't see it, and even if she did I wouldn't think of her a bad person.

But that's all I'm going to say on this topic. I thought I was in a forum for fans of her and Will's music -- not some gossip magazine forum or Popjustice. If their work fails to please her fans it is of course their responsibility. But I don't think Alison or Will are under any liberty to have to look a certain way to please their fans (whether it be glamorous or down-to-earth). If Alison wants to think she's pretty, whether she is or she isn't -- it's entirely up to her.

[Blood&Gold]

Originally Posted by Baudelaire

I don't really think most of those examples were supposed to be serious (especially the Number 1 video). Alison is a very honest girl (sometimes too honest) but I never recalled her outright condemning people for getting plastic surgery. And if she did it - and if I am wrong - that would be ignorant of her anyways, as plastic surgery is not simply for women over their 50s (like a lot of people here seem to believe too). A lot of people who get disfigured in accidents also rely on plastic surgery.

If you want to believe she got plastic surgery though that's fine. But I honestly don't see it, and even if she did I wouldn't think of her a bad person.

But that's all I'm going to say on this topic. I thought I was in a forum for fans of her and Will's music -- not some gossip magazine forum or Popjustice. If their work fails to please her fans it is of course their responsibility. But I don't think Alison or Will are under any liberty to have to look a certain way to please their fans (whether it be glamorous or down-to-earth). If Alison wants to think she's pretty, whether she is or she isn't -- it's entirely up to her.

Does it need to be serious to show that this topic was on their minds? Not sure what that has to do with anything, really. Serious or not, it was in their head-space.

I don't think it matters if she has surgery or not. I don't care about her looking pretty, or expect her to appease me in any way. I'm a little angry that you are implying that I care so much about her appeance only. I was explaining that I just don't take her seriously now because of it. It's not the surgery I'm TRYING to focus on ( but you people are the one saying "prove it", which is when we started focusing on Alison's appearance so heavily) but the contradiction. You dig?

And no one is going to address the photos? Thought so...

[Baudelaire]

Originally Posted by Blood&Gold

Does it need to be serious to show that this topic was on their minds? Not sure what that has to do with anything, really. Serious or not, it was in their head-space.

I don't think it matters if she has surgery or not. I don't care about her looking pretty, or expect her to appease me in any way. I'm a little angry that you are implying that I care so much about her appeance only. I was explaining that I just don't take her seriously now because of it. It's not the surgery I'm TRYING to focus on ( but you people are the one saying "prove it", which is when we started focusing on Alison's appearance so heavily) but the contradiction. You dig?

Actually talk about her appearance had been rampant on this board for some reason, so the last bits of the post was not entirely directed towards you.

However, my point is that there does not seem to be any overt contradiction. Even if her past work has hinted at it, Alison's main stance towards plastic surgery is not clear. Nor is there any fact that she actually did have plastic surgery. It's all just speculation, which is why I refer to it being only fit for some gossip magazine forum.

[NovaLasing]

Originally Posted by Jaxsbudgie

Blood & Gold you need to chill the fuck out, and stop offending people on here in such an obvious manner (hahah, hypocrite much?).
Folklore, you need to drop it, just walk away.

Also, can i just say, these photos look a bit dodgy:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/electricproms/2...sts/goldfrapp/
Especially in the forehead department.

It's not surgery - just a bit of botox to smooth out the furrows in her brow.

[corvina]

I think what B&G is saying is that in the past through songs like Utopia and Clowns she's made it clear that she thinks people who mess with their appearence for fashionable purposes are operating under if not delusion then a dodgy mindset... in Utopia she refers to the fascism of conformity and of adherence to a social norm and/or idea of perfection.

if this is the case which it clearly is since those songs exist and we can hear them .. if she then goes and allows her images to be photoshoped and messed around with so as to appear to conform to a socailly accepted norm i'e beauty is age related and diminshes as one gets older .. then she is in some sense guilty of doing the same ..

although smart girl that she is I'm certain she is aware of the contradiction she is throwing out ... we know she's vain because she said so circa SN

but life is like this we have to live with our private ambivalences ..

[corvina]

Originally Posted by NovaLasing

It's not surgery - just a bit of botox to smooth out the furrows in her brow.

it's still a cosmetic procedure no blade running but a cosmetic procedure nevertheless .. we live in an age where identites are surgically constructed: re Michael Jackson the countless thousands of people who have undergone reconstructive surgery because of accidents through to trannsexuals and cyborgs like Stephen Hawking .. the idea of a natural human went away ages ago ...

whether that is a good thing who can say? what is under attack here is a society that values a stereotypical norm and the pressure women of a certain age are under to conform to those images ..

wiki St Orlan ..... she had this bagged years ago ...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlan

[softlad]

...and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and......

[Blood&Gold]

Originally Posted by softlad

...and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and and on and on and......

You don't like the conversation, don't participate.

Quite simple!

[Baudelaire]

Originally Posted by corvina

I think what B&G is saying is that in the past through songs like Utopia and Clowns she's made it clear that she thinks people who mess with their appearence for fashionable purposes are operating under if not delusion then a dodgy mindset... in Utopia she refers to the fascism of conformity and of adherence to a social norm and/or idea of perfection.

if this is the case which it clearly is since those songs exist and we can hear them .. if she then goes and allows her images to be photoshoped and messed around with so as to appear to conform to a socailly accepted norm i'e beauty is age related and diminshes as one gets older .. then she is in some sense guilty of doing the same ..

although smart girl that she is I'm certain she is aware of the contradiction she is throwing out ... we know she's vain because she said so circa SN

but life is like this we have to live with our private ambivalences ..

I think in the end though we all follow social norms, regardless if we don't agree with it.

I also think there's a big difference between retouching photos and plastic surgery. In one sense yes they're both conformity, the later has a lot more consequences though.

I personally don't agree on plastic surgery either (for similar reasons), even though I'm very insecure with myself -- and I definitely retouch my photos. Sometimes I even find myself considering plastic surgery too. I just don't see how it's the basis of thinking someone is in-genuine, aren't there worse hypocrites in the world?

[corvina]

at risk of incurring the wrath of god by daring to prolong the discussion .....

I think although the ends are less severe the desires that allow ones image to be photoshopped are the same as those that call for the knife... a society that makes women and to a lesser extent men feel less than worthy because of age and appearence is a sick one although yes I participate in it and go along with it's rules and games ...

I don't wish for it to be any different either because I have no idea what any alternative could be not some egalitarian PC utopia for sure ... besides I do like ambivalence and contradiction they seem to be very human failings ... what is scary is when members of society are blindly unaware of the way they are manipulated (and by this I don't mean in some stupid conspiratorial way) by language and conceptual templates of behaviour

[tattmaylor]

There's nothing wrong with a bit of photoshoping. Bloody hell it's as old as pop music itself. All those old 50's pics were airbrushed (with an actually airbrush! ) or photographed through tights,etc.. Album covers aren't holiday snaps! There going to be around for centuries as an idividual image. I'd want to look bloody brilliant! I'd suck in my cheeks, get the zits airbrushed and bags removed. Who wouldn't.

Also what's the difference between that and say bowie in full make up. The album cover is pop star Alison not the real Alison. She can do what she wants - she's playing a character.

If you want to see the real Alison go see her live.

* Also as a foot note people with plastic surgery often look terribel in photo's with or without photoshop. So bar the odd tuck I can't see Ali ever having any major surgery.

[Sartori]

Still discussing if Alison has had surgery ? flipping hell , aren`t peoples overloaded Work Dodging Procrastination Alarms going off ? For the record this is how I talk in real life .